Meeting Date & Time
This Task Force meets three out of every four Wednesdays (the fourth Wednesday is the Technology Stack WG plenary meeting). There are two meetings each Wednesday to serve different time zones:
- NA/EU meeting: 08:00-09:00 PT / 15:00-16:00 UTC
- APAC meeting: 18:00-19:00 PT / 01:00-02:00 UTC
See the Calendar of ToIP Meetings for exact meeting dates, times and Zoom links.
Zoom Meeting Links / Recordings
- NA/EU Meeting: https://zoom.us/j/91775722985?pwd=aVNVOUdlTXpQVnJJY1MzbmJsT0kxZz09
- APAC Meeting: https://zoom.us/j/98535920136?pwd=NjFPcEdQc1VMTzJ6eDZJb3RNRzVtQT09
NOTE: These Zoom meeting links will be replaced by links to recordings of the meetings once they are available.
Attendees
NA/EU:
- Drummond Reed
- Daniel Hardman
- Wenjing Chu
- Samuel Smith
- Darrell O'Donnell
- Alex Andrei
- Antti Kettunen
- Christine Martin
- Daniel Bachenheimer
- Judith Fleenor
- Lance Byrd
- Mathieu Glaude
- Michael Herman
- Neil Thomson
- Oskar van Deventer
- Rodolfo Miranda
- Sam Curren
- Savita Farooqui
- Scott Whitmire
- Steve McCown
- Steven Mugisha Mizero
- P A Subrahmanyam
- Subhasis Ojha
- Willem de Kok
APAC:
Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)
Time | Agenda Item | Lead | Notes |
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2 min | Review of previous action items | Leads |
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20 mins | Timeline Considerations for the TSPTF Consolidation Stage | Sam Curren | Sam will present a short set of slides raising key questions about how long we want the TSP spec process to take. Sam's TL:DR is "Let's pay attention to the timeline effects of our choices" as we go through the consolidation phase. Daniel Hardman: Would like to get a sense of the TF's sense of this topic. There's no really good way to measure, but do you have any suggestions about how? Drummond Reed: suggested using the polling feature of Github Discussions. Darrell O'Donnell: It's very important what those choices are in the poll. It's not "either/or" in terms of "go fast or get everything right". Oskar van Deventer: "As for timelines: who are the prospect implementors and users? I'd like to see TSP used by the large European identity (eIDAS, EUDI wallet, LSP) programs." In the European Digital Identity Wallets Architecture Reference Framework (ARF), there is no good references to ToIP. Sam Curren: It can be challenging to figure out how to accurately predict timelines. Antti Kettunen: Regarding eIDAS 2.0 and the Large Scale Pilots, there is some work going on to map the ToIP model to the EUDIW ARF. The EU is definitely very interested in the ToIP model. The LSPs can also try to align with the ToIP model, and then align with a migration path. Neil Thomson: Assuming incremental develop with useful releases at a useful cadence. there are some key decisions, one of which is: To get a "right answer" long term, realistically, breaking changes need to be acceptable. The other is to spend time to build bridging solutions for 'existing' solutions to new versions. Savita Farooqui: I agree with Neil, that approaching it in an agile manner is useful - with urgency, understanding that refactoring may be needed. We can learn from/about the other efforts to seek alignment, but independent approach is also useful - if we bring a different perspective. ACTION: Sam Curren to create a Github Discussion to figure out the wording of the choices in the poll, and then to hold the poll. |
10 mins | Moderated Terminology Design Workshop Proposal | Oskar van Deventer | If Oskar is able to attend, he will present a proposal for his organization, TNO, to moderate a terminology design session. (This is very timely given our work right now on the ToIP Glossary Workspace.) See also this wonderful new draft paper from Rieks Joosten on Conceptual Models (aka mental models). |
20 mins | Preparing for our first TSP Workshop | Leads | Our first TSP Workshop — a two-hour deep-dive — will be held this coming Thursday April 6 at 1:00-3:00PM PDT / 20:00-22:00 UTC / 22:00-24:00 CEST / 06:00-08:00 AEST. The Zoom link is now on the ToIP Calendar. Wenjing Chu has agreed to start the meeting by giving a recap of the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification V1.0, especially the requirements for ToIP Layer 2. This should take approximately the first 30 mins. We then need to decide the best topic(s) to discuss in the remaining 90 minutes. Also, we have also scheduled a second TSP Workshop for the same time on Thursday April 13th provided we are ready for it. |
5 min | Reminder about inputs for our 3rd generation ToIP stack diagram | Drummond Reed | See this Google Slides deck where we are accepting proposals. |
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