Meeting Date & Time

03 May 2023 This Task Force meets three out of every four Wednesdays (the fourth Wednesday is the Technology Stack WG plenary meeting). There are two meetings each Wednesday to serve different time zones:

NA/EU meeting: 08:00-09:00 PT / 15:00-16:00 UTC
APAC meeting: 18:00-19:00 PT / 01:00-02:00 UTC

See the Calendar of ToIP Meetings for exact meeting dates, times and Zoom links.

Zoom Meeting Recording

NA/EU Meeting: https://zoom.us/rec/share/6b3vAais-ct05O1oMJCnXKE4FFji61YK8lolXhszADV567t6WuSuAOL13yyIy9r8.3CDdLdNMPhzNxzct
NO APAC MEETING TODAY

NOTE: These Zoom meeting links will be replaced by links to recordings of the meetings once they are available.

Attendees

NA/EU:

Drummond Reed
Darrell O'Donnell
Antti Kettunen
Mathieu Glaude
Neil Thomson
Oskar van Deventer
Rieks Joosten
Rodolfo Miranda
Steve McCown
Viky Manaila
Willem de Kok
Matteo Midena
<other attendees were not noted due to the special workshop format>

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

Time	Agenda Item	Lead	Notes
3 min	Start recording Welcome & antitrust notice New member introductions Agenda review	Leads	Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. New Members:
2 min	Review of previous action items	Leads	ACTION: ALL TSPTF MEMBERS please complete this TSP Task Force timeline poll — ideally in the next 24 hours so we can review the results at the start of the TSP Workshop tomorrow (Thursday April 13). ACTION: ALL TSPTF MEMBERS please add any other terms to this Github discussion thread (especially fundamental terms) that you would like to suggest we review in depth at the Terminology Design Training Workshop.
SPECIAL MEETING	This entire meeting was our Terminology Design Workshop hosted by TNO	TNO	Since the meeting was an interactive workshop, we did not keep detailed notes, however see screenshots #1-#6 below for the overall topics discussed and listen to the Zoom recording. The term we worked on during the workshop was "trust spanning". See screenshot #7 for Darrell O'Donnell's resulting diagram. One particular quote from the Zoom chat: Rieks Joosten : "criterion: a text that everyone can evaluate to determine whether or not something is an instance/example of a particular concept. Evaluation leads to a yes/no result."
Other notes	Updates from IIW #36 and Consensus 2023		See Daniel Hardman's Medium article called Big Desks and Little People. Highly recommended reading on the dangers of building everything to client/server architecture.
	Readout on the Urgency/Completeness poll		See https://github.com/trustoverip/trust-spanning-protocol/discussions/45
	Recap of conclusions coming out of TSP Workshop #1 and TSP Workshop #2		Main takeaways: TSP Workshop #1: To support trust establishment across trust domains, the TSP MUST support appraisability — the ability of any party to appraise the trust basis of the other. (Note that neither of these terms have definitions yet in the ToIP Glossary Workspace.) TSP Workshop #2: DECISION: There MUST be one and only one protocol at Layer 2 to serves as the trust spanning protocol. Any higher level protocol belongs in Layer 3 or above. There was a consensus that we should look carefully at defining a protocol at the next layer above that provides many of the messaging semantics that Daniel Hardman and others are needed across trust tasks. There was not a consensus yet as to whether that protocol should be defined in this TF or a separate TF should be chartered.
	Prep for TSP Workshop #3 – A Layering Proposal		This is the last workshop we will be able to hold this month due to conferences. It will be held on THURSDAY 04 MAY 1:00-3:00PM PDT / 20:00-22:00 UTC / 22:00-24:00 CEST / 06:00-08:00 AEST. This is the Zoom link. Sam Curren has agreed to kick it off with a proposal for how the current DIDComm V2 specification could be decomposed and evolved into a set of layers that would be compatible with the TSP.
	TSPTF Progress Blog Post	Drummond Reed	Per our earlier discussions on the need for external communications — and in preparation for the panel on the TSP at the European Identity Conference nexxt week, Drummond is proposing to draft a "milestone" blog post about the progress of the TSPTF, recapping our proposals and direction. He will publish a draft as a Google doc later this week and will gladly accept feedback.
5 mins	Review decisions/action items Planning for next meeting	Leads