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Every Thursday (PT, ET, UTC) 5pm PT, 8pm ET, 12:00am UTC

A limited series of meetings are held on Thursdays 17:00-18:00 PT / 00:00-01:00 UTC. See the ToIP Calendar for meeting info. You can subscribe to the mailing list at lists.trustoverip.org.

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Attendees

Attendees

Main Goal of this Meeting

  • Discuss "Wet" principlesReview the updated sections ("What are Design Principles?" and "Organization of the Principles"), discuss shortening the "Connectivity Is It's Own Reward" section, and discuss the "Wet Code" principles.

See current Google doc: Design Principles for the ToIP Stack and Principle Neil Thomson's writeup on Principle #15 "Why Data Should Not Be an Afterthought" document. 

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

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TimeAgenda ItemLeadNotes
5 min
  • Start recording
  • Welcome & antitrust notice
  • Introduction of new members
  • Agenda review
ChairsLeads
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.
  • New Members:
  • Please, add your name and affiliation (if any) if you are contributing to this deliverable.
45 5 minsDiscussion on "Wet" PrinciplesEveryoneReview of "What are Design Principles?"Drummond Reed
  • This section was revised to consolidate feedback and suggestions.
  • There was a general consensus this section was ready.
5 minsReview of "Organization of the Principles"

Drummond Reed

  • This section was revised to consolidate feedback and suggestions.
  • There was a general consensus this section was ready.
15 minDiscussion on Principle #15

Neil Thomson

5 min
  • Review decisions/action items
  • Planning for next meeting 
Chairs

Notes

  • The final number of principles and their order won't be set until at least end of August
  • Drummond Reed shared that we updated the structure of the document. We propose to organize them in three groups: 'dry', 'wet', 'overall'.

"Wet" Principles

Principle #15

Decisions

  • Risks as a part of Design Principles might be introduced in the DP #12 where we talk about Trust Can Have Limits.

Action Items

20 minsDiscussion on "Wet Code" PrinciplesAll
  • We reviewed the feedback from Rieks Joosten.
  • There was consensus that our "wet code" design principles were not a mental model but a set of principles about trust that might help build or verify a mental model.
  • ACTION: Drummond Reed to give that feedback to Rieks Joosten.
5 minAdditional principlesJacques Bikoundou
  • Jacques asked whether we needed a set of principles about Digital wallets.
  • Drummond Reed asked if that would overlap with the Principles of SSI that has already been approved as a ToIP Approved Deliverable. 
  • Jacques felt it may be different.
  • It was agreed that our Design Principles for the ToIP Stack document could and should reference other related sets of design principles.
  • ACTION: Jacques Bikoundou to write a proposed draft of digital wallet principles.
5 min
  • Writing assignments
  • Review decisions/action items
  • Planning for next meeting 
Leads
  • Drummond proposed one more Community Writing Workshop meeting in two weeks.
  • Our goal is to finish a complete first draft by then.
  • ACTION: Drummond Reed to contact Elisa about scheduling another meeting.
  • ACTION: ALL—try to finish all section contributions by Thursday Sept 23.

Decisions

  • None

Action Items

  •  ACTION: Neil Thomson to work on a second draft of Principle #15.
  •  ACTION: Drummond Reed to give feedback on his suggestion about mental models to Rieks Joosten.
  •  ACTION: Jacques Bikoundou to write a proposed draft of digital wallet principles.
  •  ACTION: Drummond Reed to contact Elisa about scheduling another meeting.
  •  ACTION: ALL—try to finish all section contributions by Thursday Sept 23
  •  Neil Thomson volunteered to write up new principle.
  •  sankarshan will look again at the "What are the Design Principles"
  •  Proposed meeting in two weeks from now.
  •  Find statistics around growth in number of digital governance and trust networks in EU and NA.
  •  Drummond Reed volunteered to write up #4—Confidentiality by Design and Default
  •  Scott Perry volunteered to work on Transitive Trust once the "Laws of Trust" re-org is done.