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Meeting Recording to come.

Attendees: Nicky Hickman Darrell O'Donnell Christine Martin Neil Thomson 

Agenda:

TimeItemLeadNotes
5 min

Welcome & antitrust notice

Agenda review

Nicky

Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in  this activity beyond an observer role.

10minNew intro's & Updates

Darrell O'Donnell will be at IIW, 

Neil Thomson co-chair of Data Modeling &___ WG authentic data vs authentic identity, follow on from ISWG many others on same track, triangle similar to issuer, holder, verifier, but different. One issuer, thousands of data providers.  How are these sources and issuers different? what denotes authenticity, consent etc - how do these fit together  e.g. DIF Data Agreements Group, same with Consent, discussions about the process/agreement, but not about the data.

40minWhite Paper Review key questionsNicky

Many reviewers and excellent comments on the paper  leading to improvements on the paper.  Many discussions needed going forward, further work.

Continuing the discussion: Overcoming Harms_Further Discussion Document, initially including detailed and thought provoking commentary from Jill Bamforth.  

Progress against ToDo's

  •  take out the moon analogy, Thank you Phil Wolff 
  •  move frameworks to appendix & trim
  •  simplify and clarify text
  •  improve exec summary so that it is a 2min useful read -   Darrell O'Donnell looking into. following incorporation of additional community comments
  •  remember to add in Pyrou's Dusun people case study
  •  draw out the flip side of benefits
  •  add business case (Phil Wolff )  Important point about the commercial so-what, Nicky Hickman noted that harms are costs, a similar question to  Michael Becker who asked for thoughts on an article Personal Data Damages: A Reflection on Major vs Micro Concussions

 "A colleague asked me a question today "do you have a personal data harms stat that you can share that will help me shake up an executive? A stat that is so blatantly damaging that it will compel them to invest in the development of personal information management solutions and lean into being a personal information economy leader." 

Harms are costs: they cost businesses billions in customer services, abuse management systems, security, fraud management, reputational damage and opportunity cost. At the same time they cost every public purse billions mopping up the after-effects e.g. healthcare, benefits, national cybersecurity, ... As soon as that senior exec realises that the microharms not only impact his bonus, but also his taxes your friend will have his attention!

Is there a business case for addressing harms, or is it a moral endevour?

Darrell O'Donnell - need concrete examples.  Impact on employees of firms.

Neil Thomson - many things that may be done are additional benefits of using SSI, security benefit.  Future-proofing also a benefit, freebies by adopting SSI.

  •  change PEST to PESTLE PESTEL adding in environmental and legal categories (Jill Bamforth, sankarshan )
  • Politics - Manipulation: Digital Identity and Democracy  REQUIRES DISCUSSION
  • Economics - Datafication: Digital Identity as a Means of Production
  • Society - Fragmentation: Digital Identity and Globalisation
  • Technical - Innovation: Digital Identity and Efficiency
  • Environmental - Dissociation: Digital Identity and Anthropocentrism REQUIRES DISCUSSION
  • Legal - Identification: Digital Identity as a Function of the Nation-State
  •  Glossary and definitions (in progress, see below)
  •  References tidy and x-check
  •  Github vs Gdocs and required publication routes - Darrell O'Donnell said that this for Public Review - IPR reasons needs to be in github. Christine Martin will share process with group so that public review can be in github
  •  writing a blog post
  •  Video and readiness Readiness for IIW session - volunteer from Neil Thomson to host session if no others more closely involved with the work volunteer. Darrell O'Donnell and Neil Thomson to work together on hosting a session with key discussion points.

Key Terms for final version & publication

  •  digital identity ecosystems vs digital trust ecosystems vs distributed data ecosystems (Paul Knowles )
  •  identity harms vs human harms vs data harms
  •  harm prevention strategies vs harm accountability strategies vs harm reduction strategies vs harm countermeasures and mitigation strategies (Phil Wolff )
  •  SSI vs web 5.0 vs decentralized identity vs ....?
  •  Overcoming human harm challenges vs Reducing the costs of human harms 
5minsAOB & CloseNicky

Worthwhile effort! We are looking at this and considering in our designs

2022-10-27 BGBU APAC TF Meeting

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