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2022-11-10 BGBU APAC TF Meeting

6.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link  https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09  Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179

MEETING RECORDING  

Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text

Attendees: 

2022-11-07 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting

18.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST      Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09 

Meeting Recording to come.

Attendees

Agenda:

TimeItemLeadNotes
5 min

Welcome & antitrust notice

Agenda review

Nicky

Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in  this activity beyond an observer role.

10minNew intro's & Updates

40minWhite Paper Review key questionsNicky

Many reviewers and excellent comments on the paper  leading to improvements on the paper.  Many discussions needed going forward, further work.

Continuing the discussion: Overcoming Harms_Further Discussion Document, initially including detailed and thought provoking commentary from Jill Bamforth.

Progress against ToDo's

  •  take out the moon analogy, Thank you Phil Wolff 
  •  move frameworks to appendix & trim
  •  simplify and clarify text
  •  improve exec summary so that it is a 2min useful read - 
  •  remember to add in Pyrou's Dusun people case study
  •  draw out the flip side of benefits
  •  add business case (Phil Wolff )  Important point about the commercial so-what, Nicky Hickman noted that harms are costs, a similar question to  Michael Becker who asked for thoughts on an article Personal Data Damages: A Reflection on Major vs Micro Concussions

 "A colleague asked me a question today "do you have a personal data harms stat that you can share that will help me shake up an executive? A stat that is so blatantly damaging that it will compel them to invest in the development of personal information management solutions and lean into being a personal information economy leader." 

Harms are costs: they cost businesses billions in customer services, abuse management systems, security, fraud management, reputational damage and opportunity cost. At the same time they cost every public purse billions mopping up the after-effects e.g. healthcare, benefits, national cybersecurity, ... As soon as that senior exec realises that the microharms not only impact his bonus, but also his taxes your friend will have his attention!

  •  change PEST to PESTLE adding in environmental and legal categories (Jill Bamforth)
  •  Glossary and definitions (in progress, see below)
  •  References tidy and x-check
  •  Github vs Gdocs and required publication routes
  •  writing a blog post
  •  Video and readiness for IIW session - volunteer from Neil Thomson to host session if no others more closely involved with the work volunteer.

Key Terms for final version & publication

  •  digital identity ecosystems vs digital trust ecosystems vs distributed data ecosystems (Paul Knowles )
  •  identity harms vs human harms vs data harms
  •  harm prevention strategies vs harm accountability strategies vs harm reduction strategies vs harm countermeasures and mitigation strategies (Phil Wolff )
  •  SSI vs web 5.0 vs decentralized identity vs ....?
  •  Overcoming human harm challenges vs Reducing the costs of human harms 
5minsAOB & CloseNicky

2022-10-27 BGBU APAC TF Meeting

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