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Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: Nicky Hickman sankarshan Eric Welton
2022-04-25 BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
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| Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
| 5 min | | Nicky | |
| 10mins | Intro's & Updates | Nicky | N/A HXWG - Expert sessions forthcoming in May (link to HXWG webinars) Good podcast ref exclusion in Aadhar - Christine Martinto get Reference - Potential Women in Identity ref their exclusion research as expert for Q&A |
| 10mins | Key insights from last APAC meeting | Nicky or Sankarshan | 2 clear harms to get started with - 1) Over-identification vs under-identification - Goldilocks Zone - Overton Window (political science construct - when something was taboo becomes defacto) - Law 2 Minimal Disclosure for Constrained Use
- 2) Basics - speak to the link w/ legal identification & / or foundational ID
- Naming - use of unique identifiers
Requirement to from the outset start with a co-creative/ participatory approach so that we are asking communities on the ground about the harms they perceive and their impacts. e.g. Women in Identity - Aisha's story - Gender - example in Thailand range of # of genders that are recognized (fluidity vs box ticking) - consider outward signs that assert gender identity and create communities / recognize each other.
- Home location - see Domicile law - e.g. Aadhar = residency not citizenship - difficulty in changing attributes
- Age - lots of people don't know how old they are, chinese count age differently, there are different dating systems in different parts of the world
- Many of us don't have an 'is' relationship to identity, much more diffuse than this e.g. 'where are you from', preponderance of evidence rather than binary. Establish the 'is' relationship w/government so we want to agree mutually what my 'is' is!
Requirement to from the outset start with a co-creative/ participatory approach so that we are asking communities on the ground about the harms they perceive and their impacts. e.g. Women in Identity - Aisha's story |
| 45mins | Storyboard | Phil | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1KoWjJx8LMwqNHKhAs-gK1uLdDL6zniIR/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102748924597224658467&rtpof=true&sd=true - Reviewed to Slide 31`- notes in slides
Discussion - Balance between individual rights or objectives vs collective rights e.g. covid vaccine example
- 2 stories: - 1 related to electric vehicle standards / data in India, 1 related to surveillance at Grand Mosque (company using AI realising the world of Minority Report) - being proactive (predictive analytics)
- Covid has highlighted this argument - is there a special case in the pandemic vs 'normal' times.
- See https://www.technologyreview.com/supertopic/ai-colonialism-supertopic is a good series recommended by sankarshan
- Consider 'medical vector' as a means of asserting power
- AI more deployed into affluent areas, if you don't fit in then you are suspect
- Facial recognition - Chinese dataset doesn't really work outside Asia. (see Biometric State: The Global Politics of Identification and Surveillance in South Africa, 1850 to the Present” <-- highly recommended by sankarshan)
- “When Biometrics Fail: Gender, Race, and the Technology of Identity” recommended by sankarshan
- Aadhar reports that highlight the unintended consequences and outcomes that have arised. Using Aadhar-like systems are more harmful than helpful because starting from a bad base.
- No playbook that identifies the problems associated with legal identification systems. In a normal world systems are hardened through testing, but national systems are often on a wing and a prayer. focus too much on MVP and think about things e.g. guardianship, different name formats, different genders other than M & F.
Problem w/SSI - in an effort to pursue | 45mins | Storyboard | Phil | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1KoWjJx8LMwqNHKhAs-gK1uLdDL6zniIR/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102748924597224658467&rtpof=true&sd=true Reviewed to Slide 31`- notes in slides |
| 5mins | Actions |
| - Nicky to change meeting time to 11am Pacific and name to SSI Harms _BGBU
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