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2022-03-28  SSI Harms USA/EU TF Meeting

15.00 UTC = 8:00 PT = 17:00 CET = 20:30 IST      Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09 

Recording:

Attendees:  


Agenda

TimeItemLeadNotes
5 min

  • Welcome & antitrust notice

  • Agenda review
Darrell

  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.

10minsIntro's new members & UpdatesAll



5 minsUpdate on Actions from Previous MeetingsAll
  •  ACTION - Darrell to clone storyline format (from Drummond)
  •  ACTION - ALL to review background links (on Purpose page under Links & Files)
  •  ACTION - Persona Development
  •  ACTION - reach out to others to join or be an 'expert witness'
10 mins

Discussion on items raised in Slack & APAC meeting

Nicky
25StoryboardDarrell

Outline Storyboard is here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1KoWjJx8LMwqNHKhAs-gK1uLdDL6zniIR/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102748924597224658467&rtpof=true&sd=true



5 minsClose & AOBNicky
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2022-03-17  SSI Harms APAC TF Meeting

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TimeItemLeadNotes
5 min

  • Welcome & antitrust notice

  • Agenda review
Darrell

  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.

10minsIntro's new members & UpdatesAll



5 minsUpdate on Actions from Previous MeetingsAll
  •  ACTION - Darrell to clone storyline format (from Drummond)
  •  ACTION - ALL to review background links (on Purpose page under Links & Files)
  •  ACTION - Persona Development
  •  ACTION - reach out to others to join or be an 'expert witness'
  •  Nicky setting up APAC call time
  •  Nicky set 2 week cadence at this time
10minsReview HXWG progressAll

  - APAC Group to consider speakers.  e.g. This is the group that we're connected to through our work with Swinburne University a few years ago: https://sigchi.org/


10 mins

Discussion on items raised in Slack & APAC meeting

Nicky
  • Name change of group to 'Balancing the Good, The Bad & The Ugly' This has been posted on linked in, at an earlier time slot, so to be resolved for next meeting cycle.
  • Use of Persona: What format - storytelling not descriptions, Who?

1) Group of indigenous people - Pyrou Chung

Eric - could be related to Family Unit below

2) Family unit: (Phil) A family where the notions of family aren't modeled where they live or travel. A polyamorous truple with kids and the six grand-parents. (intergenerational, doesn't conform to norms of marriage, complex guardianship) - West Africa polygamous families.

Eric:  Clans or groups in S Asia, 7 or 8 houses clustered together, kinship group.  Variations on a theme - depends on kinship structures.  Insight, many grandparents don't know their own age.  

Eric has found potential collaborators / folks on the ground who are able to help us build grounded persona

  • Suggests we need to consider culture and religion & kinship structures - ie not nuclear families.  Cultural identity is the basis - 'everyone's a cousin'.

3) Children

25StoryboardDarrell

Outline Storyboard is here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1KoWjJx8LMwqNHKhAs-gK1uLdDL6zniIR/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102748924597224658467&rtpof=true&sd=true

  • Consider differences in family structures as a way of framing some of the issues in Harms, problem of nuclear family.  "A california family is now the way your phone thinks & works!"
  • Explain forms of kinship (Nicky Hickmanto find anthropology notes)
  • Centralised control model RBAC, harm we're identifying - if we assume about the nature of the relationship due to names or blood, then we can cause harm.  EG domestic abuse in marriage.

Example from Eric - Living near a safe house for IDP (underground railroad) in west of Thailand (Korim) - He has all his papers and can move freely, he is becoming stateless so that he can get back into the camp in order to care for his elderly parents, familial obligations - giving up his legal identity to fulfill his duties.  Corruptions in guards, violence associated with money and being able to leave the camp to work.  Too strong an  identity would prevent this.  Harm of centralized model with biometrics = he is 'owned by the state' - can't remove yourself from the system.

John: This is the group that we're connected to through our work with Swinburne University a few years ago: https://sigchi.org/

Eric: another group that is local to me, which may be helpful in identifying unique harms/risks is: https://kwahdao.org/ - their current director just graduated from law school and is one of their first students especially looking at stateless children.


5 minsClose & AOBNicky
  •  John Phillips to ask https://sigchi.org/ if they have any kind of framework for assessing interaction harms
  •  Nicky Hickman to get kinship structures / forms from anthropology notes
  •  Eric Weltonto discuss domicile law and issues related to documentation and also on biometrics work next time.  Bound carefully with exam question.  Close during that session.
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2022-03-14 SSI Harms TF Meeting

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