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6.00 UTC = 22:00 PT = 7:00 CET = 10:30 IST = 17:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link  https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09  Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179

Attendees: sankarshan Phil Wolff Jacques Bikoundou Nicky Hickman Christine Martin  Nicky HickmanEric WeltonJohn Phillips Jo Spencer


Agenda

Outline Storyboard is here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1KoWjJx8LMwqNHKhAs-gK1uLdDL6zniIR/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102748924597224658467&rtpof=true&sd=true

TimeItemLeadNotes
5 min
  • Welcome & antitrust notice

  • Agenda review
Darrell
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.

10minsIntro's new members & UpdatesAll



5 minsUpdate on Actions from Previous MeetingsAll
  •  ACTION - Darrell to clone storyline format (from Drummond)
  •  ACTION - ALL to review background links (on Purpose page under Links & Files)
  •  ACTION - Persona Development
  •  ACTION - reach out to others to join or be an 'expert witness'
  •  Nicky setting up APAC call time
  •  Nicky set 2 week cadence at this time
10 mins

Discussion on items raised in Slack & APAC meeting

Nicky
  • Use of Persona: What format - storytelling not descriptions, Who?

1) Group of indigenous people - Pyrou Chung

2) 

3)

  • Name of the group - BGBU - use of word Harms
  • Risk assessment
  • Feedback from links /  discussion points?
10minsReview HXWG progressAll

 Image Added - APAC Group to consider speakers.  e.g. This is the group that we're connected to through our work with Swinburne University a few years ago: https://sigchi.org/


10 mins

Discussion on items raised in Slack & APAC meeting

Nicky
  • Name change of group to 'Balancing the Good, The Bad & The Ugly' This has been posted on linked in, at an earlier time slot, so to be resolved for next meeting cycle.
  • Use of Persona: What format - storytelling not descriptions, Who?

1) Group of indigenous people - Pyrou Chung

Eric - could be related to Family Unit below

2) Family unit: (Phil) A family where the notions of family aren't modeled where they live or travel. A polyamorous truple with kids and the six grand-parents. (intergenerational, doesn't conform to norms of marriage, complex guardianship) - West Africa polygamous families.

Eric:  Clans or groups in S Asia, 7 or 8 houses clustered together, kinship group.  Variations on a theme - depends on kinship structures.  Insight, many grandparents don't know their own age.  

Eric has found potential collaborators / folks on the ground who are able to help us build grounded persona

  • Suggests we need to consider culture and religion & kinship structures - ie not nuclear families.  Cultural identity is the basis - 'everyone's a cousin'.

3) Children

25StoryboardDarrell

Outline Storyboard is here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1KoWjJx8LMwqNHKhAs-gK1uLdDL6zniIR/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102748924597224658467&rtpof=true&sd=true

  • Consider differences in family structures as a way of framing some of the issues in Harms, problem of nuclear family.  "A california family is now the way your phone thinks & works!"
  • Explain forms of kinship (Nicky Hickmanto find anthropology notes)
  • Centralised control model RBAC, harm we're identifying - if we assume about the nature of the relationship due to names or blood, then we can cause harm.  EG domestic abuse in marriage.

Example from Eric - Living near a safe house for IDP (underground railroad) in west of Thailand (Korim) - He has all his papers and can move freely, he is becoming stateless so that he can get back into the camp in order to care for his elderly parents, familial obligations - giving up his legal identity to fulfill his duties.  Corruptions in guards, violence associated with money and being able to leave the camp to work.  Too strong an  identity would prevent this.  Harm of centralized model with biometrics = he is 'owned by the state' - can't remove yourself from the system.

John: This is the group that we're connected to through our work with Swinburne University a few years ago: https://sigchi.org/

Eric: another group that is local to me, which may be helpful in identifying unique harms/risks is: https://kwahdao.org/ - their current director just graduated from law school and is one of their first students especially looking at stateless children.


5 minsClose & AOBNicky25StoryboardDarrell5 minsClose & AOBNicky
  •  John Phillips to ask https://sigchi.org/ if they have any kind of framework for assessing interaction harms
  •  Nicky Hickman to get kinship structures / forms from anthropology notes
  •  Eric Weltonto discuss domicile law and issues related to documentation and also on biometrics work next time.  Bound carefully with exam question.  Close during that session.
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2022-03-14 SSI Harms TF Meeting

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TimeItemLeadNotes
5 min
  • Welcome & antitrust notice

  • Agenda review
Darrell
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.

10minsIntro's new members & UpdatesAll

Name change of group to 'Balancing the Good, The Bad & The Ugly' This has been posted on linked in, at an earlier time slot, so to be resolved for next meeting cycle.

Christine Martin - work with Darrell at Continuum Loop.  EA and topic of interest.

5 minsUpdate on Actions from Previous MeetingsAll
  •  ACTION - Darrell to clone storyline format (from Drummond)
  •  ACTION - ALL to review background links (on Purpose page under Links & Files)

Observation: Sometimes the drive to design solutions for crisis situations, e.g. Ukranian Refugees can itself lead to unittended harms or consequences because of speed & emotion.

  •  ACTION - Persona Development
  •  ACTION - reach out to others to join or be an 'expert witness'
  •  Nicky setting up APAC call time
  •  Nicky set 2 week cadence at this time
10 mins

Discussion on items raised in Slack & APAC meeting

Nicky
  • Use of Persona: What format - storytelling not descriptions, Who?  John & Jo may guide us on format and structure to be story based and then qualified with folks on the ground via Pyrou and Eric.
  • Example Persona for Yoma

3) Children:  (Sankarshan) The topic of harms around minors in context of travel came about when we were noodling on the GHP Travel related recommendations. As in - whether adoption of SSI based patterns will inadvertently enable harms to be easier, higher primarily because of weak adoption of guardianship and identifier best practices. 

1) Group of indigenous people - Pyrou Chung

2) Family unit: (Phil) A family where the notions of family aren't modeled where they live or travel. A polyamorous truple with kids and the six grand-parents. (intergenerational, doesn't conform to norms of marriage, complex guardianship) - West Africa polygamous families.

Eric:  Clans or groups in S Asia, 7 or 8 houses clustered together, kinship group.  Variations on a theme - depends on kinship structures.  Insight, many grandparents don't know their own age.  

See lessons from Aadhar.  Main challenge is inability to understand how the design of the system was successful or failed, also depends on adoption, enforcement, liabilities.  EG Financial crimes are better handled through stronger regulation and enforcement.

Currently a reputational issue for SSI because of misunderstandings and perceptions.

Raises common issues such as governance and its enforcement in decentralized systems and the rights/human dignity issues.

Danger is that we create an inventory of risks with mitigations, but could be counter-productive, but in long run we need to design better ways of representing living entities in digital formats.   Is there a need to uniquely identify humans, personhood.  Is it possible to do so without being political?

Must nevertheless start somewhere and narrow scope.  Use persona as test bed to check our thinking. 

Start with one persona and encourage others to build their own and engage this way.  Perhaps children as easy for all to relate to and understand.

Groups to consider: Those that are biometrically impaired, 

  • Name of the group - BGBU - use of word Harms
  • Risk assessment
  • Feedback from links /  discussion points?
25StoryboardDarrell

Outline Storyboard is here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1KoWjJx8LMwqNHKhAs-gK1uLdDL6zniIR/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102748924597224658467&rtpof=true&sd=true


5 minsClose & AOBNicky

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