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2022-12-08 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
7.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: Pyrou Chung; Nicky Hickman
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
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10mins | Intro's & Updates | Nicky | Update on Wallet TF - New Wallet Interactions & Patterns TF to work on patterns of design for wallets, aligns with Open Wallet Foundation (A Linux Foundation Project). Judith Fleenor has started recruiting, Accenture, Trinsic - needs to work for them as well. Alta Nel Rimma Perelmuter - Trust in Tech consultancy, focused on human centred design and trust that works for the digital economy. |
20mins | Harms TF update & next steps discussion | Nicky | Elisa Trevino is putting it on github Terms Wiki is done but - Glossary is not updating Judith Fleenor - We need to make sure that anyone who comments into the Public Review Process, then must join ToIP. Could be able to do so through gdocs as this is a paper not a specification. Can do on Github or gdocs. Phil Wolff Blog post missing contributors, call to action. Name on acknowledgements. Nicky Hickman to update Pyrou Chung - key is the so what question? Different perspective from people's perspective. EG school identity system for children - case study - how could we use the paper to structure and apply. How do you apply this framework to assist in improving their digital identity system - Nicky Hickman to do cheat sheet, practical guidance, then apply to school. International school in Thailand, have multiple jurisdictional requirements. Legal advice is they comply, but their rights are not respected especially for non-thai students. Technical view? Consent process but no data policy? Legal complications pre/post-covid. Their policy is not compliant with basic principles of privacy, failure consent = no school access. Pyrou wrote to the principle and asked the data to be removed and find a way for her son to access the school. Confusing issues: security, access control, attendance. Most of issues are not technical but are knowledge gaps, overlaps in user data for different and overlapping purposes. What is it used for? ie Purpose? Is public task applicable? In a private school public task is not applicable. Main issue is probably knowledge gaps - concerns about digital security among other parents, but most are unlikely to speak up. Especially Chinese, they are fleeing oppressive regime, so they devise work-around's - jump the gate! What are the protocols for intruder? If indeed it is for security. Biometric system. Thai government requires school to share the data with them for 'national security purposes' - risk for many who are in Thailand as they are at risk if identified. Diaspora from all over the world. Visa can be revoked, school can be implicated in this. Next Steps: January All Members Meeting - presentation open to others. Special Topic. X-pollination for Q1 - How can we work with you. inside ToIP Phil Wolff outreach beyond ToIP and convening, still need some form of ongoing community effort. Judith Fleenor must come from the WG., potential for SIG. Judith Fleenor consider outreach to other identity communities When is public review over? 30-60 days after the January All Members Meeting. BLOG - How and why should my company step up? Next communications committee meeting is next Friday 9th December - approvals can be done via email.
The following must be sent to HXWG channel, could step out of the acknowledgements for those named in blog post. (Nicky Hickman ) Nicky Hickman sort out glossary, also set up the document for comment in g-docs for non-github route. |
20mins | 2023 objectives | Kalin | meeting cadence & timing, APAC inclusion. Pyrou would like to continue to contribute to the community, Nicky Hickman to poll the APAC members to find an alternative time. HX focus on Wallet TF Business Scenarios workshop? |
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2022-11-24 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
7.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
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Attendees: Jill Bamforth, Nicky Hickman
2022-11-21 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
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Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: Phil Wolff Christine Martin Neil Thomson Nicky Hickman
Agenda:
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10min | New intro's & Updates | Update from IIW. Here are the notes that Neil Thomson took in the session that he and Darrell O'Donnell ran at recent IIW 35 Darrell brought up a series of topcis, new to topic, about 20 people including some heavy hitters, many will be looing at the notes and as an 'unoffical steal'! No big gaps, turning minds to blocking or mitigating. How do we make it easy for people to make the right choices.? What kind of message do we want to send to technical thinking. Receptive overall to incorporating thinking but not much certainty as to what that looks like at that point. Need to make it clear to policy makers, but you cannot hope that the tech will solve, the tech alone cannot overcome the harms. Phil Wolff concerned that there is a gap between very technical principled idea of how this should work and everything that happens downstream. Separated by time, jurisidiction, etc, very difficult to imagine that this has any kind of negative externality. Not obvious, and if they do see it why is it my concern vs others' concern Neil Thomson commented that there is definitely a tension to make it usable but at what point do you want to protect the tech that is useful without constraining the tech itself. Phil Wolff suggested a list of harms and countermeasures that is very specific as an appendix. Christine Martin suggested a good idea. Neil Thomson suggested a companion document with existing mitigations and other suggestions. Very precise definition of harms. Phil Wolff commented that first had to get community buy in to the fact of negative externalities, then we are inviting others to participate in harms work, quantifying risk and growing knowledge. Processes fro quantifying risk and being accountable need to include human harms. Not walk through the architecture, but an agreement that this is a necessary process. Concensus that there is a problem is the call to action from this paper. Neil Thomson consensus from Canada is also starting on things like filtering for those under 18 years. follow up at next IIW requested. | |
10mins | mechanics on paper | Nicky | Terms Wiki is done - https://github.com/trustoverip/hxwg/wiki, forced to be much more specific about the terms that we use, and should have been done before the public version. IE the glossary in the pdf version is not correct. Paper is in PDF version md version is under development. Definitely talk to Andor/Anti. Can help get in github properly md version now complete in folder ready for github, Elisa Trevino is going to help Nicky with github. |
30mins | blog post & other follow ups | Nicky | Blog for development is here: Phil also has written Negative Externalities and will add to blog - this is an excellent approach No.1 = Houston we have a problem! Phil Wolff has already added some things, and Pyrou Chung has offered to contribute. Jill suggested a set of guiding principles to support designers and implementers because environment is changing so quickly, we can easily test these principles. Can we find principles also with diverse examples of their application. EG Bills of Rights, Hippocratic Oath applies almost everywhere and accepted. Common values = challenge - e.g. strict Muslim vs freedom from persecution for sexuality. Comes back to ethics - gets embedded in politics and legal views. EG Jill lived in many countries, how do you form that common bond = Family. Depends on environment, context. Recognition that application of principles in the context in which it sits. EG China, see chinese first then British or Australian second, speaks to a fundamental view of how they view their identity. So e.g. in Australia, must give up your Chinese PP to become an Australian national. Chinese Gov imposes rules not Australian. Analogous with tudor period Catholic vs Protestant/Anglican. Can't have 1st master as Pope, consider purgatory, links are similar today - e.g. soul=land for indigenous people, very different approach to the land in Western mindset. APO suggested by Jill https://apo.org.au/ once paper is ready could be useful to add to this resource. If in different state, what needs to happen? Would open up to many others. Read by gov and industry. Could be a way to promote to a broader audience. Get researchers together to bring our next steps for research - going deeper on wicked problems. Theoretical and practical contribution is needed. Where does it fit into theoretical vs practical thinking. Identify the nutty issues, then find PhD students to explore in depth. Also on the ground studies. Maybe working to build a student/researcher community to bring others together. Jill's extensive and thorough commentary is here. can serve as a basis for next steps on research side. |
5mins | Close & Actions | Nicky | Nicky Hickman to outline checklist document Nicky wanted to publicly acknowledge Phil Wolff 's enormous contribution to this paper, would not have happened without him. Target Monday for publication date to accommodate Thanksgiving. Nicky to coordinate with Judith to arrange open event - for inclusion in blog post for call to action. Join us - specific topic to review harms and strategies together and figure out next steps as an organisation/ community. |
2022-11-10 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
7.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: sankarshan Nicky Hickman Pyrou Chung
2022-11-07 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
19.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: Nicky Hickman Darrell O'Donnell Christine Martin Neil Thomson
Agenda:
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10min | New intro's & Updates | Darrell O'Donnell will be at IIW, Neil Thomson co-chair of Data Modeling &___ WG authentic data vs authentic identity, follow on from ISWG many others on same track, triangle similar to issuer, holder, verifier, but different. One issuer, thousands of data providers. How are these sources and issuers different? what denotes authenticity, consent etc - how do these fit together e.g. DIF Data Agreements Group, same with Consent, discussions about the process/agreement, but not about the data. | |
40min | White Paper Review key questions | Nicky | Many reviewers and excellent comments on the paper leading to improvements on the paper. Many discussions needed going forward, further work. Continuing the discussion: Overcoming Harms_Further Discussion Document, initially including detailed and thought provoking commentary from Jill Bamforth. Progress against ToDo's
"A colleague asked me a question today "do you have a personal data harms stat that you can share that will help me shake up an executive? A stat that is so blatantly damaging that it will compel them to invest in the development of personal information management solutions and lean into being a personal information economy leader." Harms are costs: they cost businesses billions in customer services, abuse management systems, security, fraud management, reputational damage and opportunity cost. At the same time they cost every public purse billions mopping up the after-effects e.g. healthcare, benefits, national cybersecurity, ... As soon as that senior exec realises that the microharms not only impact his bonus, but also his taxes your friend will have his attention! Energy concerns also adding in Environment section. Energy & Resource costs of Tech, how do you reduce those harms. Is there a business case for addressing harms, or is it a moral endevour? Darrell O'Donnell - need concrete examples. Impact on employees of firms. Neil Thomson - many things that may be done are additional benefits of using SSI, security benefit. Future-proofing also a benefit, freebies by adopting SSI.
Key Terms for final version & publication
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5mins | AOB & Close | Nicky | Worthwhile effort! We are looking at this and considering in our designs |
2022-10-27 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
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MEETING RECORDING
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: Nicky Hickman sankarshan Pyrou Chung
2022-10-24 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
18.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: :Nicky Hickman ; Phil Wolff Jacques Bikoundou Darrell O'Donnell Trev Harmon Christine Martin Erran Carmel
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10min | New intro's & Updates | Trev Harmon Technical director at ID2020 and have been involved w/SSI community for some years previously at Evernym. | |
40min | Harms Paper | Phil Wolff huge input to the paper and many hours commenting and improving Nicky Hickman commented that some technical folks were still struggling with utility, hopefully implementation guide and technical requirements. Phil Wolff commented that the reverse of harm is increased benefit, have not sufficiently emphasised this connection with entrepreneurial ambitions. Nearside / farside helps with this but not enough start-up / entrepreneurial culture. We have natural bias for hope and good things. Example of new market opportunities by building for the need. Talk to their professional values, this is a framing challenge Main comments needed on Part 3 of the paper. Trev Harmon has 4.5 pages of notes at ID2020 will provide actionable feedback. General impressions focused on the frameworks e.g. STS, curious as to why it was chosen and then modified. Some places where systemic to society not identity specifically. Disconnect between the harms that occur and how SSI mitigates / exacerbates some sections stronger than others. Some seem overly reductive. P19 last paragraph, connection between philosophical sides and action side especially quoting chinese or indian philosophy without any citations or support Offered several recommendations on improving connections in text to be more straight forward. good to be working on this to avoid future harms from SSI. Darrell O'Donnell lots of explanations in document not quick and fast enough. Nicky Hickman need to reduce paper and make it more useful and more accessible to different types of readers. e.g. add requirements section at the end. e.g. remove moon analogy Trev Harmon the key elements are being buried behind the frameworks Phil Wolff suggested added frameworks as appendices. Return to simpler approach,
Trev Harmon suggested that systemic issues shouldn't go away from discussion but perhaps not right in same document. Some of the harm discussion was shorter than it needed to be, some of frameworks longer than it needed to be. Phil Wolff frameworks might help for systematic modelling of harms. Concerns many aspects of organisations in public / private sector. A framework for building on what you already have, should be advantageous, maybe as a separate blog post. Should not miss opportunities to identify harm. Nicky Hickman will
Trev Harmon will join the group to contribute to this work. Neil Thomson It's a great document - leave it alone and make it as a background document. Build one or more new documents from the different perspectives/audiences who will consume it. I am outside comfort zone, there are things that are harms not because of tech or intent but because of things outside our control. In discussing Harms, it would be helpful to flag which harms are within the SSI technology and governance stacks ability promote and support harms avoidance and reduction, and which are outside of ToIP's scope (e.g., political). Phil Wolff said we wanted to point out that you are also responsible for some of the negative externalities that occur. Because includes governance stack these should be addressed by the ecosystem as a whole. e.g. harms surveillance, or by regulators in terms of compliance. Neil Thomson highlighted the Canadian CIO Council's draft standards that identifier issuers are currently defined as only governments or other government-accredited institutions such as banks. It has not yet adopted the option of individuals creating an SSI verifiable identifier through a 3rd party (Sovereign Identity vs. Self-Sovereign Identity). SSI Governance must be careful not to make the assumption that adopters will enact all technical or governance aspects of ToIP's view of SSI. sankarshan commented that the paper was ready and happy with where we were. Provides bridge of gap for rationale for design change. Also that SSI systems should not be implemented as overlay on existing designs. If anything should go in appendices then should be implementation. Pyrou commented that divergent comments in one paper. Paper in a good spot, as a non-technologist I found it difficult to read, but frameworks helped with thinking. What are harms, where they are and some modalities on how to think about them. We achieved what we set out to achieve. sankarshan technologists are missing the implementation guide & tech spec but this is not the role of the white paper. Presents enough of a robust set of knowledge so that they can support choices and explain choices in design , aligns well with phase 1 of ToIP, ie philosophy, then phase 2 is more towards the implementation. Pyrou: need to be out and moving on with other work. Final comments by 11th November. Nicky's checklist above! |
2022-10-13 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
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MEETING RECORDING
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Attendees: Nicky Hickman Pyrou Chung
2022-10-10 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
18.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: :Nicky Hickman ; Judith Fleenor
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10mins | Intro's & Updates | Nicky | |
40mins | Revised Paper | Nicky | Discussed presenting for internal ToIP review on 19th October. Nicky to finish by Monday. |
2022-09-29 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
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MEETING RECORDING
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Attendees: Nicky Hickman - meeting finished at 20 past due to no other attendees!
2022-09-26 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
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Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: :
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10mins | New intro's & updates | Turing Institute Trustworthy Identities Conference - Decentralization & Harms a constant strand, | |
25 mins | New Arc | Nicky | Considering feedback and comments on the current drat of the white paper - suggested new arc/perspective as an alternative to 'ssi harms'
Actually the far side of the moon is not dark at all, but it is different from the near side. See The far side of the Moon, photographed by Apollo 16 in 1972. It is much more crater-ridden than the near side of the Moon. Source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_side_of_the_Moon. Not all of the far side of the moon is invisible from earth due to a phenomenon known as libration "In lunar astronomy, libration is the wagging or wavering of the Moon perceived by Earth-bound observers and caused by changes in their perspective. It permits an observer to see slightly different hemispheres of the surface at different times. It is similar in both cause and effect to the changes in the Moon's apparent size due to changes in distance. " This paper is like the Apollo 8 astronauts who were the first humans to see the far side in person when they orbited the Moon in 1968. We are just mapping that side of digital identity which we all know is there and contributing to opening up debate and developing robust legal, technical, human experience and governance mechanisms for addressing this problem. e.g. https://privacyinternational.org/advocacy/4945/letter-global-csos-world-bank "We, the undersigned civil society organizations and individuals, urge the World Bank and other international organizations to take immediate steps to cease activities that promote harmful models of digital identification systems (digital ID). "
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15mins | Potential Titles | Nicky | From discussion in HXWG
From story Arc Mapping the Far Side of the Moon: A new framework for understanding and mitigating the human harms of digital identity systems; ‘Overcoming the challenges of human harms from in digital identity ecosystems’ The Apollo 16 Paper: Considering human harms in digital trust ecosystem design / digital identity systems Vision based: Do no harm: creating digital identity systems that serve the public good On track for finishing 2nd draft end next week Darrell O'Donnell and Christine Martin to do Foreward |
2022-09-15 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
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Attendees: Oskar van Deventer sankarshan Nicky Hickman
2022-09-12 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
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Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: : Phil Wolff Nicky Hickman Darrell O'Donnell Christine Martin
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10mins | New intro's & updates | Phil Wolff FTC public hearing on online harms (link) - 5 hours long so anyone who listens and can summarise - please share. sankarshan will take a look | |
40mins | Reviewing sections of paper | Nicky | Great discussion and feedback on ROUGH draft of paper overall - CONCERNS and arising discussion points
@philwolff commented that remove SSI & Harms in same sentence. As scope expands - expect harms to arise - thinking about 'the precautionary principle' earlier is better.
Darrell O'Donnell - main input interesting - stories are useful, but A-bomb might be distracting - what do we replace it with? Oskar van Deventer - not A-bomb, better use cars and safety belts. SSI is already safer than DigID (e.g. mitigations) . See comments in Discussion doc Phil Wolff commented that not sure why we would write a white paper format as a ToIP deliverble, storytelling is not so much what ToIP has been done, especially w/formal analysis. Part of scholarship is to remove personal opinions - have intellectual riguour & discipline, not sure what role this has in ToIP. Is there more value in scholarly approach vs blog posts that are snackable and might together build momentum. Christine Martin not sure about value of white paper vs blog posts e.g. Phil Wolff if I am a product manager considering my process for product design & launch - then a white paper might not be the first tool I would go for. Want a step-by-step toolkit for mitigating harms, and considering risks to human harms in our process, then does this have a completeness or 'doneness' then 'no'. Actions you can take on Monday - what are they?! - needs to be a concrete deliverable for the team monday to include in process of product development How do we identify most impactful harms and then keep working through? What is the systematic way that you are paying attention to harm? How do you know you have those systems in place? How does c-suite know it's being taken care of? How do you as a group / ecosystem look at these different types of harm? Embedding in standard risk management / security awareness processes Needs to start somewhere - acknowledging that harms exist is good but need tools for rigour. start by acknowledging harm sankarshan need to before white paper - perhaps do a design workshop w/ a persona, does the ToIP meet requirements to prevent harms? Does design-thinking include right questions to address harms. Make other groups accountable for actions to emerge from activities? e.g. influencing standards. How can we exert influence and then provide oversight? This group could then provide evaluation of output of other tasks. Otherwise there will be an air gap between a whitepaper and action? Also will help with collaboration. sankarshan close doc and then break out and share with group. Initiate a process, culture and capability w/in ToIP and wider community to begin addressing systematically over time. Transfer ownership back to the community and x-pollinate w/other groups. Applies to everyone - what's the litmus test. Nicky Hickman Use guardianship model - white paper followed by more practical technical requirements/ implementation guide. Darrell O'Donnell and Christine Martin do both . sankarshan has been looking at document and review comments also reviewed HXWG expert series - suggests continuously raising. Outstanding:
Key Questions: John Phillips created a web form for this - looking forward to finding out the responses on Thursday during APAC Call. Is this Fit for Purpose??? Does it say what you want it to say? Key discussion points are in this document: |
2022-08-04 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
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