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• June 30, 2021 21:00 PM Pacific Time - 5:00 UTC

(NOTE: This page is in the process of being updated.)

Attendees

Steering Committee Voting Members

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• RJ Reiser(for David Lucatch (Liquid Avatar)
• Eva Chan (Certizen)
• Christine Leong (Accenture)
• Mike Vesey (IdRamp)
• Marie Wallace (IBM)
• Andre Kudra (esatus)
• Daniel Hardman (SICPA)
• Chris Ingrao (Lumedic)
• Steve McCown(Anonyome Labs)

Also Participating

• Elisa Trevino (LF/ ToIP program coordinator)
• Rebecca Distler(ID2020/ GHP WG Chair)
• Jessica Townsend (Accenture)
• Darrell O'DonnellSteve McCown
  
  
• Guest

• NONE

Agenda 

Presentation/Documents

• Presentation - Agenda - PDF

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• Exhibit A - Meeting Minutes - ToIP Steering Committee - 2 June 2021.pdf Approved.
• Exhibit B - ToIP BLOG for The Blueprint.pdf

Membership review and approval

• New ToIP individual (3) and contributor (3) members and steering (1) were approved.

Steering Committee Voting member Election - 1 yr term ended

Judith Fleenor explained that Voting Members of the SC are normally elected for a 3yr term, with ⅓ of the SC Voting members up for election each year.  We did this process at our last Plenary.  60% of our Voting Member slots are kept for organizations with more that 100 employees.  IBM just rejoined as a member of ToIP, and thus

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the SC can approve IBM Watson Health

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as an official voting member.

Judith Fleenor indicated that consensus had been reached and the following resolution was approved:

RESOLVED: ​that IBM Watson Health be elected as voting member of the Steering Committee for a 3 year term.

Governance Stack WR - Final Deliverable - Principles of SSI

Drummond Reed shared that The Governance Stack WG has approved the Principles of SSI as a WG Approved Deliverable. The GSWG Chairs have sent this deliverable to the SC for 7 day review.  After the 7 day review period, email will be sent to SC Calling for Consensus, by Judith Fleenor.  If there are no objections within 7 days, the following resolution will be considered as passed by consensus.

RESOLVED:  That the “Principles of SSI”  Working Group Approved Deliverable submitted by the Governance Stack Working Group be hereby approved by the Steering Committee as a Trust Over IP (ToIP) Approved Deliverable.

Update - Good Health Pass - Update

Drummond Reed reviewed the six week process that the working group embarked on that has now resulted in a single 180 page document that includes a 33 page glossary with over 200 terms, and 9 categories of recommendations.  An explainer deck the “Visual Guide to Good Health Pass Interoperability Blueprint” has been prepared for use with Industry consultations that are underway this week.

Judith Fleenor reminded everyone that all comments during the review period must go through the comment form, so that we can capture the Non-member agreement information for those making comments.

Monday June 7th will be the announcement of a public review period.  Followed by a Good Health Pass Working Group call for consensus.  The Steering Committee call for consensus is expect at the end of June.

Wenjing Chu asked where Steering Committee members could get a copy of the 180 page document.  Drummond Reed offered to send it to any SC member who provided him with their email address, or that you could ask either of the working group chairs for a copy.

Special Topic Meeting - Agenda Items discussion

Judith Fleenor opened the floor for discussion about what special topics.

Daniel Hardman suggested Layer 3 protocols for financial transactions and the ecosystem that might live above in Layer 4.  “There’s a whole other world of interesting stuff that relates to financial transactions, where verifiable credentials are not necessarily the most interesting aspect of layer three, money is and the question of how to govern the flow of money.”

Jim St. Clair added that he is a part of the Sovrin Financial inclusion committee working group and there they did a draft white-paper. 

Daniel Hardman further explained what he’d like to discuss and how it relates to ToIP Layer 2 in our stack.

Judith Fleenor asked for raised hands for who else would be interested in this topic . Four reposed yes.

John Jordan  - We have then focused on credential exchange and proofs, but there is a world of protocols that could be enable by confidential agent to agent channel and that’s something we are starting to explore in business contracts, supply chain trusted, and responsible sourcing of metals, which could be related to what Daniel is talking about.  

Thinking about the future, two years from now, we can think about the expansion of the model beyond verifiable credentials and the narrowly focused digital identity.  “What do we need to do to help the market understand how the Linux Foundation is contributing to the space, beyond the project we have today.”  “Are there more clear market signals that we could make by organizing ourselves in some way, expanding our message like Daniel is suggesting?”  Like we are trying to make contracts possible, from contracts to all business interaction.

Judith Fleenor - recapped there are two topics here for possible discussion.

1. Looking to the future, how ToIP and other organizations within this space and within the Linux Foundation and across organizations get the messages out, beyond verifiable credentials for identity.
2. A broader discussion of Layer 3 protocols that are beyond credential exchange.

Daniel Hardman volunteered to put together a 20 minute slide presentation when we are ready to have this as a special topic discussion.

Drummond Reed suggested another possible topic.  What happens beyond the Good Health Pass Collaborative (GHPC) Blueprint, as we move into the implementation phase?  Also, the Interoperability working group for GHPC could provide a sort of lesson learning in the GHP.

John Jordan added, How to bring back into the core working groups deliverables some of the processes and/or content of the work done in the GHPC working group and tasks forces.  And, also what happens to the Interoperability Working Group, does that continue or get wrapped into other core working groups.

Drummond Reed - Another aspect that is now receiving quite a bit of attention that we highlighted as required is the trust registry infrastructure, especially across domains.  Thus, a possible special topic meeting just on “Trust Registries”

Daniel Hardman - Added, not just the Theory of Trust Registries, but how to actually operate one because we are at an inflection point where we want to transition from having squares in a diagram, to actually running one so that Good Heath Pass succeeds, as an ecosystem.

John Jordan - His colleague Stephen will be presenting at the global forum next week on traversing the web of trust.  This is related to this topic of Trust Registries and John agrees that Trust Registries could be a good topic for a Special Topics Meeting.

Drummond Reed - A topic of Membership and Membership Plan.  How we grow our resource base at the foundation.  Both from a revenue perspective, but also getting contributing members that are contributing in a way that has an impact.

Judith Fleenor brought up two other topics.  First acknowledging the work Sumiran Garg has done interviewing members of the Steering Committee around revenue and business models. Attached to that is aligning the purpose and mission of ToIP with the message from a communications standpoint, so we are attracting the right members.   The second topic is the Info Graphic.

Judith Fleenor recapped possible Special Topics include:

1. How Financial Systems Use this technology. (A broader discussion of Layer 3 protocols that are beyond credential exchange.)
2. Helping the Market Understand. (How ToIP and other organizations within this space and within the Linux Foundation and across organizations get the messages out, beyond verifiable credentials for identity.)
3. GHPC Lessons Learned, and what’s next for the Interoperability Working Group.
4. Trust Registries (Not just the theory but how they actually operate.)
5. Membership Plan (and reviewing business model suggestions.)
6. Infographic and Website redesign.

John Jordan sees a thread running through these and Judith Fleenor and John will work on a proposed suite of topics for upcoming meetings.  

Mike Vesey agreed, and added anything we can to do raise visibility to solving commercial problems 

John Jordan - We need to start talking less about how things work and start talking about why it matters, and so what.

Action items

•   Judith Fleenor and John Jordan to work on a proposed suite of topics for upcoming special topic meetings.
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Interoperability for GHP Working Group Deliverable - The Blueprint
Discussion

John Jordan shared that the working group chairs for the Interoperability Working Group for Good Health Pass have received notice of patent exclusions and applications held by ToIP member Iproov, a UK based company and also its Founder, Andrew Bud.  The working group does not take a position as to the validity or applicability of any patent claims that are excluded from the Blueprint.  The working group needs guidance from the Steering Committee as to how to proceed.

Brian Behlendorf added context from the JDF/LF and open source prospective.

Brian Behlendorf outline some possible ways forward:

• One of those is you can approve us back with a published list of patent exclusions from a participant.
  
• Decided to ask the working group to modify the standard to to not apply to avoid some of the patent claims made.
• Etc.
• But there is some some risk in these slowing adoption.

It was recommended that all SC members re read the JDF agreements. Those of you who are steering committee members are actually there to help enforce it in a way, and so Steering Committee members need to understanding what these JDF agreements mean.  You may want to talk to somebody in your own firms who deals with standards and patents and an IP in collaborative processes like this.  Just to be clear, the Linux foundation can't provide that legal advice to the steering committee members.

Consensus was that at this time the SC doesn't have enough information to make any informed decisions.

It was decided by the Steering Committee to send a neutral party to have a conversation with the organization.   The Steering Committee will meet after that conversation to further discuss next actions regarding the The Good Health Pass Blueprint for Interoperability.  Tentative date of July 12th, at 10am PT was set for said discussion.

Wenjing Chu Asked about an email he send regarding the first page of the Blueprint to align better with the working group chatter, and requested an update on his comments.  

Kaliya Young  We got that feedback and I worked on that with Rebecca today and updated the language.   Kaliya Youngwill send that section with the updated language to Wenjing Chufor his review.

Judith Fleenorstated that another version of The Blueprint will not be sent out to the SC until we have the resolutions that are a result of the above discussion, as there may then need to be other changes or appendixes added.

Drummond Reedasked for clarity on the time frame.  The working group was expecting a call for concusses today.  So we need to get back to the working group with an update of time expectations.

Judith Fleenor However long it takes for Brian to talk to the organization.  Then get back to the steering committee.  Then this Steering Committee will need to act on whatever information we have coming back.  But when Blueprint get sent out again, if there are any new updates, we would need to again have a seven day notice and period of review.  Because it's not a regularly scheduled steering committee meeting, we have to give notice that there will be a meeting.

Drummond ReedIf we do an electronic vote we would need to do a seven day notice.  Is there a way forward quicker for the 50 plus people who are going to ask this question?

John JordanReiterated that we just don't know yet.  Can count on 10 to 14 days minimum. 

Kaliya Youngoptimistic

Judith FleenorWe will need to call the steering committee together or, in some way get them the feedback, so that they can make the decisions that they need to make based on the feedback that we get. So it's not like just we get the feedback and boom now that seven days.  We get the feedback let the steering committee react to the feedback and then.

Brian Behlendorf Some of that information can get shared via email.  And agreed that the SC would need to have a Face to Face meeting, before resolution can be made.

After discussion, it was decided to put a placeholder meeting on the calendar for July 12, 2021 at 10 am PT to discuss and decided next steps based on the feedback we have at that time.

ToIP BLOG for The GHP Blueprint for Interoperability

Judith FleenorThanks to all who contributed comments with special thanks to thanks to Alex Metcalf & Ajay Madhok.  The BLOG was sent out as Exhibit B for this meeting and we needs to be approved by Steering Committee.  

Consensus was to approve the blog pending any changes needed based on information coming back from the above topic.

Presentation of The GHP Blueprint for Interoperability Talking Points

Judith Fleenorpresented talking points and thanked everyone who made contributions to this effort, especially Wenjing Chuwho started the process for us and Alex Metcalf, who finalized them.  They are as follows:

1. Good Health Pass (GHP) is one of our ToIP working groups, and they’ve just released the 1.0.0 version of their proposed recommendation for digital health passes, called the GHP Interoperability Blueprint.
   
   
2. Many ToIP members have invested time to make the GHP standard privacy-protecting and secure, so people feel comfortable and confident sharing their personal health information when required.
   
   
3. The Blueprint is another market step towards our goal of enabling digital trust infrastructure that just works everywhere, just like the Internet and the Web work everywhere.
   
   
4. We’re encouraging members to review and endorse it using the Twitter handle #GHPBlueprint—and if possible a press release or blog post from your company or community.
   
   
5. You can download the Blueprint and learn more from our blog post: [link here]
   
   One comment was made which was to change the word standard used in the first talking point to recommendation, as it is displayed above.
   

Special Topics Meeting July 14, 2021 (Slot B) 21:00 PT

After discussion it was decided:  That the special topic discussion, after time remaining from any Plenary business that might be needed, will be Good Health Pass Lessons Learned.

Discussion of special topics for August meeting, Trust Registries or Beyond Credential Exchange.  

Open Discussion

Drummond Reedshared about the Big Four papers for learning about ToIP.  See: Introduction to ToIP  He put out a challenge to update these four documents by end of summer.   Invited to attend a meeting with Karen Hand and the White Paper Task Force to discuss the rewrite of the introduction paper.  

Judith Fleenor Pointed out this is direct result of the feedback that we got in our business review session with a Sumiran Garg, where she was saying, How can new people where to go?  So this page has been updated to include what working groups are woking on these things and what skills are needed.

Kaliya Younginformed the community that Rebecca Distlerhas accepted a new job opportunity, and thus will be stepping down as co-chair of the Interoperability Working Group for Good Health Pass.  I have idea's about who might be asked to be the new co-chair.

Judith FleenorThanks Rebecca for her work with ToIP and congratulates her on her new opportunity.  She will be missed at ToIP, but we hope she'll be back soon in.

Kaliya Young Open the topic of ID Pro, and Judith Fleenor will follow-up with Kalyia and IDPro.

Hwajeong Hwang said she would be back more often with ToIP and let us know that LG CNS has just won the RFP for digital driver lic in Korea.  John Jordanexpressed is delight that Korea's going forward with the verifiable credential based driver's license.

Drummond Reed mentioned that the first to publishers to offer to translate the Self Sovereign Identity book are both to translate it into Korean.

Action items

•   Judith Fleenorto schedule a SC meeting for July 12, 2021 at 10 am PT
•  Judith Fleenorfollow-up about ID Pro
•  Brian Behlendorfinitiate conversation with iProov.