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Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: Nicky Hickman sankarshan Pyrou Chung
2022-10-24 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
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Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10min | New intro's & Updates | Trev Harmon Technical director at ID2020 and have been involved w/SSI community for some years previously at Evernym. | |
40min | Harms Paper | Phil Wolff huge input to the paper and many hours commenting and improving Nicky Hickman commented that some technical folks were still struggling with utility, hopefully implementation guide and technical requirements. Phil Wolff commented that the reverse of harm is increased benefit, have not sufficiently emphasised this connection with entrepreneurial ambitions. Nearside / farside helps with this but not enough start-up / entrepreneurial culture. We have natural bias for hope and good things. Example of new market opportunities by building for the need. Talk to their professional values, this is a framing challenge Main comments needed on Part 3 of the paper. Trev Harmon has 4.5 pages of notes at ID2020 will provide actionable feedback. General impressions focused on the frameworks e.g. STS, curious as to why it was chosen and then modified. Some places where systemic to society not identity specifically. Disconnect between the harms that occur and how SSI mitigates / exacerbates some sections stronger than others. Some seem overly reductive. P19 last paragraph, connection between philosophical sides and action side especially quoting chinese or indian philosophy without any citations or support Offered several recommendations on improving connections in text to be more straight forward. good to be working on this to avoid future harms from SSI. Darrell O'Donnell lots of explanations in document not quick and fast enough. Nicky Hickman need to reduce paper and make it more useful and more accessible to different types of readers. e.g. add requirements section at the end. e.g. remove moon analogy Trev Harmon the key elements are being buried behind the frameworks Phil Wolff suggested added frameworks as appendices. Return to simpler approach,
Trev Harmon suggested that systemic issues shouldn't go away from discussion but perhaps not right in same document. Some of the harm discussion was shorter than it needed to be, some of frameworks longer than it needed to be. Phil Wolff frameworks might help for systematic modelling of harms. Concerns many aspects of organisations in public / private sector. A framework for building on what you already have, should be advantageous, maybe as a separate blog post. Should not miss opportunities to identify harm. Nicky Hickman will
Trev Harmon will join the group to contribute to this work. Neil Thomson It's a great document - leave it alone and make it as a background document. Build one or more new documents from the different perspectives/audiences who will consume it. I am outside comfort zone, there are things that are harms not because of tech or intent but because of things outside our control. In discussing Harms, it would be helpful to flag which harms are within the SSI technology and governance stacks ability promote and support harms avoidance and reduction, and which are outside of ToIP's scope (e.g., political). Phil Wolff said we wanted to point out that you are also responsible for some of the negative externalities that occur. Because includes governance stack these should be addressed by the ecosystem as a whole. e.g. harms surveillance, or by regulators in terms of compliance. Neil Thomson highlighted the Canadian CIO Council's draft standards that identifier issuers are currently defined as only governments or other government-accredited institutions such as banks. It has not yet adopted the option of individuals creating an SSI verifiable identifier through a 3rd party (Sovereign Identity vs. Self-Sovereign Identity). SSI Governance must be careful not to make the assumption that adopters will enact all technical or governance aspects of ToIP's view of SSI. sankarshan commented that the paper was ready and happy with where we were. Provides bridge of gap for rationale for design change. Also that SSI systems should not be implemented as overlay on existing designs. If anything should go in appendices then should be implementation. Pyrou commented that divergent comments in one paper. Paper in a good spot, as a non-technologist I found it difficult to read, but frameworks helped with thinking. What are harms, where they are and some modalities on how to think about them. We achieved what we set out to achieve. sankarshan technologists are missing the implementation guide & tech spec but this is not the role of the white paper. Presents enough of a robust set of knowledge so that they can support choices and explain choices in design , aligns well with phase 1 of ToIP, ie philosophy, then phase 2 is more towards the implementation. Pyrou: need to be out and moving on with other work. Final comments by 11th November. Nicky's checklist above! |
2022-10-13 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
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