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2022-10-27 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
6.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
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Attendees: Nicky Hickman Pyrou Chung
2022-10-24 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
18.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: :Nicky Hickman ; Phil Wolff Jacques Bikoundou Darrell O'Donnell Trev Harmon Christine Martin Erran Carmel
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10min | New intro's & Updates | Trev Harmon Technical director at ID2020 and have been involved w/SSI community for some years previously at Evernym. | |
40min | Harms Paper | Phil Wolff huge input to the paper and many hours commenting and improving Nicky Hickman commented that some technical folks were still struggling with utility, hopefully implementation guide and technical requirements. Phil Wolff commented that the reverse of harm is increased benefit, have not sufficiently emphasised this connection with entrepreneurial ambitions. Nearside / farside helps with this but not enough start-up / entrepreneurial culture. We have natural bias for hope and good things. Example of new market opportunities by building for the need. Talk to their professional values, this is a framing challenge Main comments needed on Part 3 of the paper. Trev Harmon has 4.5 pages of notes at ID2020 will provide actionable feedback. General impressions focused on the frameworks e.g. STS, curious as to why it was chosen and then modified. Some places where systemic to society not identity specifically. Disconnect between the harms that occur and how SSI mitigates / exacerbates some sections stronger than others. Some seem overly reductive. P19 last paragraph, connection between philosophical sides and action side especially quoting chinese or indian philosophy without any citations or support Offered several recommendations on improving connections in text to be more straight forward. good to be working on this to avoid future harms from SSI. Darrell O'Donnell lots of explanations in document not quick and fast enough. Nicky Hickman need to reduce paper and make it more useful and more accessible to different types of readers. e.g. add requirements section at the end. e.g. remove moon analogy Trev Harmon the key elements are being buried behind the frameworks Phil Wolff suggested added frameworks as appendices. Return to simpler approach,
Trev Harmon suggested that systemic issues shouldn't go away from discussion but perhaps not right in same document. Some of the harm discussion was shorter than it needed to be, some of frameworks longer than it needed to be. Phil Wolff frameworks might help for systematic modelling of harms. Concerns many aspects of organisations in public / private sector. A framework for building on what you already have, should be advantageous, maybe as a separate blog post. Should not miss opportunities to identify harm. Nicky Hickman will
Trev Harmon will join the group to contribute to this work. Neil Thomson It's a great document - leave it alone and make it as a background document. Build one or more new documents from the different perspectives/audiences who will consume it. I am outside comfort zone, there are things that are harms not because of tech or intent but because of things outside our control. So remove those indirect & felt harms. Phil Wolff said we wanted to point out that you are also responsible for some of the negative externalities that occur. Because includes governance stack these should be addressed by the ecosystem as a whole. e.g. harms surveillance, or by regulators in terms of compliance. Neil Thomson highlighted Canadian CIO Council's mandate for gov and banking ID issuers. |
2022-10-13 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
6.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
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