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6.00 UTC = 22:00 PT = 7:00 CET = 10:30 IST = 17:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
Attendees: sankarshan Phil Wolff Jacques Bikoundou Nicky Hickman Christine Martin Nicky HickmanEric Welton, John Phillips Jo Spencer
Agenda
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10mins | Intro's new members & Updates | All | ||||||||
5 mins | Update on Actions from Previous Meetings | All |
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10 mins | Discussion on items raised in Slack & APAC meeting | Nicky |
1) Group of indigenous people - Pyrou Chung 2) 3)
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10mins | Review HXWG progress | All | - APAC Group to consider speakers. e.g. This is the group that we're connected to through our work with Swinburne University a few years ago: https://sigchi.org/ | |||||||
10 mins | Discussion on items raised in Slack & APAC meeting | Nicky |
1) Group of indigenous people - Pyrou Chung Eric - could be related to Family Unit below 2) Family unit: (Phil) A family where the notions of family aren't modeled where they live or travel. A polyamorous truple with kids and the six grand-parents. (intergenerational, doesn't conform to norms of marriage, complex guardianship) - West Africa polygamous families. Eric: Clans or groups in S Asia, 7 or 8 houses clustered together, kinship group. Variations on a theme - depends on kinship structures. Insight, many grandparents don't know their own age. Eric has found potential collaborators / folks on the ground who are able to help us build grounded persona
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25 | Storyboard | Darrell | Outline Storyboard is here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1KoWjJx8LMwqNHKhAs-gK1uLdDL6zniIR/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102748924597224658467&rtpof=true&sd=true
Example from Eric - Living near a safe house for IDP (underground railroad) in west of Thailand (Korim) - He has all his papers and can move freely, he is becoming stateless so that he can get back into the camp in order to care for his elderly parents, familial obligations - giving up his legal identity to fulfill his duties. Corruptions in guards, violence associated with money and being able to leave the camp to work. Too strong an identity would prevent this. Harm of centralized model with biometrics = he is 'owned by the state' - can't remove yourself from the system. John: This is the group that we're connected to through our work with Swinburne University a few years ago: https://sigchi.org/ Eric: another group that is local to me, which may be helpful in identifying unique harms/risks is: https://kwahdao.org/ - their current director just graduated from law school and is one of their first students especially looking at stateless children. | |||||||
5 mins | Close & AOB | Nicky | 25 | Storyboard | Darrell | 5 mins | Close & AOB | Nicky |
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2022-03-14 SSI Harms TF Meeting
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Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min |
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10mins | Intro's new members & Updates | All | Name change of group to 'Balancing the Good, The Bad & The Ugly' This has been posted on linked in, at an earlier time slot, so to be resolved for next meeting cycle. Christine Martin - work with Darrell at Continuum Loop. EA and topic of interest. |
5 mins | Update on Actions from Previous Meetings | All |
Observation: Sometimes the drive to design solutions for crisis situations, e.g. Ukranian Refugees can itself lead to unittended harms or consequences because of speed & emotion.
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10 mins | Discussion on items raised in Slack & APAC meeting | Nicky |
3) Children: (Sankarshan) The topic of harms around minors in context of travel came about when we were noodling on the GHP Travel related recommendations. As in - whether adoption of SSI based patterns will inadvertently enable harms to be easier, higher primarily because of weak adoption of guardianship and identifier best practices. 1) Group of indigenous people - Pyrou Chung 2) Family unit: (Phil) A family where the notions of family aren't modeled where they live or travel. A polyamorous truple with kids and the six grand-parents. (intergenerational, doesn't conform to norms of marriage, complex guardianship) - West Africa polygamous families. Eric: Clans or groups in S Asia, 7 or 8 houses clustered together, kinship group. Variations on a theme - depends on kinship structures. Insight, many grandparents don't know their own age. See lessons from Aadhar. Main challenge is inability to understand how the design of the system was successful or failed, also depends on adoption, enforcement, liabilities. EG Financial crimes are better handled through stronger regulation and enforcement. Currently a reputational issue for SSI because of misunderstandings and perceptions. Raises common issues such as governance and its enforcement in decentralized systems and the rights/human dignity issues. Danger is that we create an inventory of risks with mitigations, but could be counter-productive, but in long run we need to design better ways of representing living entities in digital formats. Is there a need to uniquely identify humans, personhood. Is it possible to do so without being political? Must nevertheless start somewhere and narrow scope. Use persona as test bed to check our thinking. Start with one persona and encourage others to build their own and engage this way. Perhaps children as easy for all to relate to and understand. Groups to consider: Those that are biometrically impaired,
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25 | Storyboard | Darrell | Outline Storyboard is here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1KoWjJx8LMwqNHKhAs-gK1uLdDL6zniIR/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102748924597224658467&rtpof=true&sd=true |
5 mins | Close & AOB | Nicky |
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