16.00 UTC = 9:00 PT = 12.00 ET =18:00 CEST = 21:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/99429712733?pwd=K214bTM4cG54YzZYVnZCL1I5MEdQQT09
Meeting Recording
Main Goal of this meeting:
Attendees: Andrew Slack Nicky Hickman Kaliya Young Neil Thomson
| Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
| 5 mins |
| Nicky |
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| 10mins | Intro's & Updates | Andrew | Kaliya Young In June 2023 there will be IIW Europe! |
| 5 min | Harms Paper | Nicky | Not done |
| 30 min | Wallet Interaction Patterns TF | Andrew | Document outlining the TF proposal.
Outreach and recruitment
To Do
Proposed first meeting: Wednesday 18th January. Bi-weekly from there. First Agenda:
To enable consistent, accessible and trustworthy data exchange experiences for all, and to make it easier for those designing and developing in our community to implement them. Concerns, a desire but no will, we end up in a silo Need diverse voices and contributions Kaliya Young suggested individual invitations to core group, she will add to newsletters Neil Thomson suggested starting with core use cases, then looking at different ways in which we use, where are the deficits? what are 'normal' real world human behaviors. Trouble with 'wallet' is for a whole basket of services, too broad, and what are the components that are missing. Sense of control with a physical credit card = find the digital version of this Nicky Hickman tackle the wallet paradigm - think about jewelry, kula rings and cows Andrew Slack yes, the wallet is the core technically, but the application wrapper is not necessarily a wallet at all! One of the first things we will tackle. Many different ways of using this and exchanging in the metaverse. Problem is rooted in the language and terminology that we're starting from. Neil Thomson whole spectrum of interaction types, and wallet quite a sophisticated one, for showing who I am, paying for stuff, accessing places. But there are whole other classes of interaction e.g. buying a house! There I may need other things to the table e.g. someone else, other docs, enables navigation of complex processes or interactions. Wallet is high frequency use, but not necessarily high stakes or biggest use cases for credentials. Andrew Slack adds, different interaction types, volume of data are vastly different from a wallet with a few cards, but in a credential rich future where we are dealing with hundreds of these data, this breaks down, the ability to make decisions breaks down. Use of smart agents to support human decision-making. Kaliya Young will post in newsletter she will post Andrew Slack to send details to Kaliya Neil Thomson if you want to sell a car, then there's a bunch of credentials you need to get to have it posted on a website. If someone wants to buy it you have to exchange data between you. Being able to judge fair data exchange / anti-coercion & over-reaching = data minimalisation. Andrew Slack how much of this is in wallet interaction patterns, and how much is in GF of the issuers & verifiers. Concern that there should be agents who can do the heavy lifting? What level of transparency should there be. That's my concern with smart wallets = obstufication Neil Thomson reinforced - governance is half the stack. Nicky Hickman waffled and concluded that human must be in control of compute Neil Thomson - at IIW Samuel Smith put reputation back on the table. If you consider human interactions, then reputation is the key point. EG getting a job - the need for references. Andrew Slack - reputation is a big word, you seem to be talking about reputation based on past interactions, as long as we're enabling you to own reputation, and history then we can make use of it. Given protections. Making sure that individuals are able to clearly and intuitively make decisions, not just in the moment but also with an understanding of in the future, what can be done with that data. Neil Thomson That raising the question of disclosure (for a person) in an interaction- in human space - you are asked to share your history (credentials, accomplishments, etc.) Reference Mark Lizar and Notice and Receipt Mechanism Also need semantic alignment for interop Nicky Hickman identity is a function of context Protect vs Project Neil Thomson context is certainly important but staging of interaction also |
| 10mins | 2023 meeting schedule & WG Objectives | Not done |