Meeting Date

  • The CTWG meets bi-weekly on Mondays at 10:00-11:00 PT / 17:00-18:00 UTC. See the ToIP Calendar for the full schedule.

Zoom Meeting Recording

Attendees

Main Goal of this Meeting

Discuss (a) Mental Models Task Force, (b) how to relate with terminological work in other WGs/TFs, (c) progress on toolkit.

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

TimeAgenda ItemLeadNotes
3 min
  • Start recording
  • Welcome & antitrust notice
  • Introduction of new members
  • Agenda review
Chairs
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.
  • New Members: none
5 minGeneral announcementsAll

Any news and updates of general interest to CTWG members

  • Neil: Input and Semantics WG is winding down. Notice Consent, Privacy and Risk, and Storage & Portability Task Forces are being reconsidered. N&C will go to governance.  Data Agreements are central.  What are the rules of consent? Do we need mental models for that? How would generic data exchange work? How about traceability, signing, etc.? 
  • Nicky: continuing guinea pig activities. First, started templates on governance framework glossary (as one of the controlled docs). GA-TF seems to take a different approach. There may not be too much utility for glossary-related work at present. Second, SSI harms paper (TF of Human Experience WG). Embedded in that is mental model of harms, but needs more thought. Key concepts start to emerge from the thinking. 'Decisions' may be one of them.
  • Rieks:
    • terminology work is finding its ways outside of ToIP as well, and not just within TNO.
    • Work is progressing on what provisionally is called QDX (Qualified Data eXchange), which is a way of thinking about how parties design and operate their information processes, focusing on how they can (i) request and obtain data that is valid for specific kinds of processing, (ii) securely store such data, and (iii) provide this data to others (in terms of syntax, semantics, assurances and provisioning criteria).
    • eIDAS 2 is very hot in (specific parts of) Europe. TNO is following some of the discussions, and participates in a few of them. 
2 minReview of previous action itemsChairs
  • ACTION: Rieks Joosten to update Sid Haniff with any revisions to the Terminology Toolbox 2.0 documentation that would affect development.
  • ACTION: Rieks Joosten will chair the agenda for the Sept 12 CTWG meeting.
10 minNext steps on proposed Mental Models TFRieks Joosten 
  • Judith Fleenor sent out the all-members bulletin that gauged interest in the Mental Models Task Force. Feedback/responses haven't been received. Perhaps we miss something here as today is the Hyperledger Summit where many of us participate.
  • ACTION: Drummond Reed agenda item for next meeting: Mental Model TF (MMTF). 
  • Neil Thomson Let's standardize on a tool, e.g. like the eSSIF-Lab stuff. Rieks Joosten explained that it's more a method than a tool (he uses powerpoint for the diagrams...). We may want to consider writing up how that's done there; perhaps that could be a first deliverable of a MMTF if it were to start.
30 minWhat work is being done in WGs/TFs

Rieks Joosten

Terminological work (building glossaries) is being done by various people, WGs and TFs. How do we want/need to be kept informed, and how to setup and maintain relations? This point was not discussed (except under general announcements).

  • ACTION: Drummond Reed agenda item for next meeting: discuss how CTWG and other WGs/TFs interact.
10 minReview progress on the Terminology Toolbox 2.0

Rieks Joosten Sid Haniff 

  • progress on the MRG tool: Development of MRG generator is complete as per the demo at last week’s dev meeting
    Need to create 1) a Docker file and 2) documentation for install and use and then ready for Rieks to user test.
  • outlook for progress on other tools. None at this point in time.
5 mins
  • Review decisions/action items
  • Planning for next meeting 
Chairs
  • Suggestion to skip Sept 26th as that is RWOT that both Drummond Reed and Rieks Joosten attend. This will be decided through a slack discussion.
  • ACTION: Rieks Joosten to discuss skipping meeting of Sept 26th in slack (because of RWOT)

Decisions

  • No decisions were taken

Action Items

  • ACTION: Drummond Reed edit the Zoom meeting link/recording (in the meeting notes) so that it points to the recording.
  • ACTION: Drummond Reed agenda item for next meeting: Mental Model TF (MMTF). 
  • ACTION: Drummond Reed agenda item for next meeting: discuss how CTWG and other WGs/TFs interact.
  • ACTION: Rieks Joosten to discuss skipping meeting of Sept 26th in slack (because of RWOT)


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