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Eric Drury I'm interested in the ecosystem foundry in the working group because, as you know, others have said, this is sort of the the the outward facing Working Group. That takes information and goes off and and uses it. I take that information to talk to business partners for use cases and things like that. So I'm very interested whenever we have different organizations or use cases come in, so that I can see the similarities to the challenges and the approaches and the commonalities to the with those use cases to what i'm working on and so I really do enjoy hearing from others, and I guess the one thing that I've learned building an ecosystem is a long process, building an entire ecosystem, you know, rather than just starting with a single component and sort of allowing that ecosystem, to develop organically you're putting in place the different components, so that the ecosystem can can exist. I'm not sure that you actually build an ecosystem rather perhaps you and enable it by putting these different components in place. And for me, the challenge has been trying to figure out which components to put in place first so that we can then turn around and say I look now everything's ready for us to say you know for the connections to happen. So i'm I i'm engaged, depending on my availability and depending on my geography and I split time between Cambridge England and Bangkok Thailand. In the early days I did work on that task force that Kimberly Linsonmentioned. but I think Kimberly mentioned that scope was huge and we perhaps didn't start with small enough steps, or start with you know bite sized pieces. I'm here i'm happy I enjoy the discussions and conversations and learning.
Kimberly Linson shared the link from the original EFWG Solution Pack Task Force and Drummond Reedadded that Steve Magennishad done alot of work on that. Kimberly Linsonsaid it would be great to like take all that work and try to actually like make it a thing. Judith Fleenorsaid one of the things she discussed with possible future co-chairs is wanting to make that solution pack, wanting to make kind of like here's the guide too the things you need to think about when setting up an ecosystem and now we have enough artifacts from other working groups that have created things. Where it's not creating the whole thing, but we can point artifact that are made by other woking groups and ask them to work on pieces that are still missing. Perhaps create a map to how to use Trust Over IP artifacts that are being created and other groups.
Judith Fleenorcalled on the two Working Group Chairs from other working groups (TSWG and GSWG/CTWG) present. Asking, what you feel about the ecosystem foundry working group going forth and how you have interacted with EFWG in the past and what you think are the high points of what it has been doing and what it should be doing?
When we stated ToIP, EFWG it was it was the best attended working group and I realized, it was because it was the most accessible and, and so I started calling it the front door of the Trust Over IP Foundation. There was a huge amount of interest. There's so much need for this new infrastructure and to support and it's still my single favorite phrase The single concept that I think we've been most effective at communicating and that people get excited about is Digital Trust Ecosystems and everybody's enthusiastic about that, as I was at the very outset.
I did start to develop a fear, of pretty much what I anticipated would happen, which is the enthusiasm over Digital Trust Ecosystem and what you could build on top of the stack was getting out ahead of the stack and because I'm involved in the trenches of what needs to be delivered to have governance, infrastructure and what needs to be have delivered on technical infrastructure. It great that there is buy into the picture, but there's a lot of work that has to be done in the trenches before we will be able to deliver.
As Judith Fleenor just pointed out, we're in a sort of brick by brick putting those things in place, but we still have quite a bit of work to do. Ironically, as Darrell will tell you, that we're close to sort of finishing a lot of the initial brickwork on the on the governance stack side ... now it's shifting over to the technical stack side, where there is a lot of work going on, but putting it together into into actual top to bottom, solutions that will support these ecosystems, for that the trenches are still being dug.
Anyone is familiar with the Gartner hype curve, for emerging technology you go up in peak of inflated expectations to the trough of disillusionment and then you hit the, I think it's called, the plateau of productivity.
That's what we're going through. I just think since ultimately what we're delivering and what we're supporting is digital trust ecosystems, as they start to come online, as we start to really be able to support what people are after, and more popular more, and more interested ...
I'm mostly just trying to figure out how do we go through that transition and we still need to fit in those other pieces.
Karen Handasked a question and Drummond Reed responded (notes to be added -until then listen to recording 35:00 min to 37:30 if interested.)
The interaction between the various different working groups, especially these three the the ecosystem foundry, governance Stack in the tech stack are starting to reach it stride. We're only a year a half into this Trust Over IP venture. We had some stumbling blocks, you know, good health has came in, like a ton of bricks and then left or are you still there, but it's largely the effort has Petered down. But like I do like that example of that product circularity one (PCDS) where the group who was thinking ecosystem came in and immediately now it's a self made, a self awareness, and the EFWG is a good starting place. We're not an orphanage, we're not here to do your work. We're a place to help you facilitate your work. We're also seeing, in the tech side at least, more not outsiders, but new people coming in. Into the tech side first, that need to move into the Ecosystem side at some point, and some other groups just even external. Like I'm working on some projects with some governments. That are tech forward, but at some point they're going to need ecosystem, because they may have policy cover for their government job. But how they interact with industry is not the same as when the issue of physical identity card. It is going to be different in industries already saying hey what are you doing well, logical home, for that is the Ecosystem side. Because it's not a tech problem at that point it's really ecosystem, as well as, how does it dovetail into the governance side, so I think we're just understanding that those three kind of pieces depending on what's going on, take the lead in one just steps back and take some someone else takes the lead and it just really matters really depends on which one is the logical lead on that one right now, which I really like.
This was followed by an excellent back and forth conversation (listen to recording 39:26 min to 49:30 if interested.) Topics Included - The need for someone looking at the Business requirements before mapping to technology and being the translator, Web3, Applications vs EcoSystem, when going to market what a is on selling and ecosystem or a piece of the ecosystem, but in that sale process you have to explain and ecosystem to the customer buying the piece, etc.
Karen Handsuggested we could write a White Paper, what is an ecosystem like what's the real deal, what is it mean, what are the key words that you would find in any model or design. This is directly applicable to the approach of how we're building an ecosystem here, regardless of the technology, so maybe we need to think about how to translate that into a White Paper is what is an ecosystem like what's the real deal what what do we mean by ecosystem.
Judith Fleenormoved the conversation into what's next for the EFWG. Action times decided included:
- Getting the people who said they would be interested in co-chairing, but not taking the entire Chair on themselves together. Using the next EFWG meeting to have the discussion of how to work together moving forward. P A Subrahmanyam Carly Huitema Steve Magennis RJ Reiser etc.
- After that meeting a cadence of meeting for Nov. Dec. to the end of the year will be established.
- With a New Year relaunch of the EFWG... and it's proposed purpose, deliverables, etc.
- Karen Handis willing to chair the "what is an ecosystem" White Paper, as a part of the White Paper Task Force. Time frame New Year start (listen to 52:00-54:02)
- Possible Glif presentation in January.
- Eric Druryis willing to organize presetation for the EFWG in the New Year.
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