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16.00 UTC = 9:00 PT = 12.00 ET =18:00 CEST = 21:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/99429712733?pwd=K214bTM4cG54YzZYVnZCL1I5MEdQQT09

Meeting Recording

Main Goal of this meeting: Working session

Attendees: Andrew Slack Kalin Nicolov Nicky Hickman Vikas Malhotra Phil Wolff Jacques Bikoundou 

TimeItemLeadNotes
5 mins
  • Welcome & antitrust notice

  • Agenda review
Kalin
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10 minsIntro's & UpdatesKalin


SSI Harms Whitepaper TF Update (Nicky)  TF Wiki page link

  • White paper now outlined and main body of writing will happen in next month
  • Use of Rumsfeld approach to structure 
    • Phil: perhaps call it the Johari window? (Fewer war crime associations.)
  • Now defining key #harms-tf terms and mental model for like agency, power, human harm, resilience, livelihood assets and vulnerability see our Miroboard here
  • Direct feedback based on interviews with indigenous people for grassroots input (edge case)
  • As usual all contributions warmly welcome 

Vikas Malhotra queried purpose of Harms TF and highlighted issue about over vs under-identification

Phil Wolff commented: 

harms from identity vs. decentralized identity
can we reference harms arising from the SSI principles (http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/2016/04/the-path-to-self-soverereign-identity.html) and ToIP design principles (https://trustoverip.org/blog/2022/01/24/the-trust-over-ip-foundation-publishes-new-introduction-and-design-principles/)


5 minsEFWG x-pollinationAndrew

Presentation Ecosystem Components

Document Ecosystem Components

Anyone in the group willing to support this work of the EFWG also possibility of sharing a session with them that

Phil Wolff commented: It's not clear to me that there are mechanisms for "ecosystem cohesion". feedback loops (and corrective systems) that keep an ecosystem stable. e.g. detecting a DDOS attack on a registry and responding well. or detecting a human harm. or cryptographic assumptions are no longer true (see quantum computing).
Andrew Slack important to use opportunity to understand the interactions and relationships that occur across the domain and eco-system.  So work some x-pollination with the group to define how the other two work together

5 minsHXWG Terms WikiNicky

We now have our HXWG Terms wiki 

This is the CTWG process - there is a toolbox building around it.

Nicky Hickman is a guinea-pig at the CTWG and so familiar with process etc.  I am one of the curators but need at least one other to work with me.  Any volunteers!?

Andrew Slack agreed to act as co-curator

What are the key concepts and terms we want to work on? (e.g. human experience, autonomy, bodily autonomy, socio-technical system), 

What are the ingestion methods we want to use?  e.g. g-docs or confluence wiki?


15 minsImplementersKalin

After the summer we will run a series of interviews with SSI implementers.

Here is our wiki page for adding questions 

Potential x-over with EFWG work on implementers, they have already had Trinsic for example


15 minsDeliverablesAndrew

Scenarios - nearly complete, where should it be stored? how does it iteratively grow and develop, get feedback etc?

Nicky Hickman voted for confluence wiki

Phil Wolff asked who it is for.

Nicky Hickman suggested a panel discussion to introduce the deliverable with a short video as a complement

Expert series reflections

What have we learnt, how this has helped us in definition & scoping of HXWG - try to deliver over the summer - any contributors very welcome.

Phil Wolff is working on "Consent Doesn't Scale"  for mid July 


10 minsClose & ActionsKalin

Andrew Slack to round off the scenarios deliverable and add to wiki

Nicky Hickman to add Andrew as a curator in HXWG

Stay in touch with EFWG